on February 18, 2017 in World News

‘Songbird’ McCain: The evidence – in his own words, his fellow veterans, and his captors

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‘Songbird’ McCain: The evidence – in his own words, his fellow veterans, and his captors

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John McCain: Prisoner of War – A First Person Account – US News & World Report from 1973, published online 1/28/08

My six years of hell: John McCain recalls life a prisoner of war in Vietnam – Daily Mail, UK 2/8/08

Excerpt from “Faith of My Fathers” by McCain

“Hero” John McCain as Phony and Collaborator: What Really Happened When He Was a POW? – CounterPunch 6/13/08

EXCERPTS: “on March 25, 1999, two of his fellow POWs, Ted Guy and Gordon “Swede” Larson told the Phoenix New Times that, while they could not guarantee that McCain was not physically harmed, they doubted it. As Larson said, “My only contention with the McCain deal is that while he was at The Plantation, to the best of my knowledge and Ted’s knowledge, he was not physically abused in any way. No one was in that camp. It was the camp that people were released from.”Guy and Larson’s claims are given credence by McCain’s vehement opposition to releasing the government’s debriefings of Vietnam War POWs. McCain gave Michael Isikoff a peek at his debriefs, and Isikoff declared there was “nothing incriminating” in them, apart from the redactions.
McCain had a unique POW experience. Initially, he was taken to the infamous Hanoi Hilton prison camp, where he was interrogated. By McCain’s own account, after three or four days, he cracked. He promised his Vietnamese captors, “I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.”His Vietnamese capturers soon realized their POW, John Sidney McCain III, came from a well-bred line of American military elites. McCain’s father, John Jr., and grandfather, John Sr., were both full Admirals. A destroyer, the USS John S. McCain, is named after both of them. While his son was held captive in Hanoi, John McCain Jr., from 1968 to 1972, was the Commander-in-Chief of U.S. Pacific Command; Admiral McCain was in charge of all US forces in the Pacific including those fighting in Vietnam. ..The Admiral’s bad boy was used to special treatment and his captors knew that. They were working him.For his part, McCain acknowledges that the Vietnamese rushed him to a hospital, but denies he was given any “special medical treatment.” However….two weeks into his stay at the Vietnamese hospital, the Hanoi press began quoting him. It was not “name rank and serial number, or kill me,” as specified by the military code of conduct. McCain divulged specific military information: he gave the name of the aircraft carrier on which he was based, the number of US pilots that had been lost, the number of aircraft in his flight formation, as well as information about the location of rescue ships…
On the other hand, according to one source, McCain’s collaboration may have had very real consequences. Retired Army Colonel Earl Hopper, a veteran of World War II, Korea and Vietnam, contends that the information that McCain divulged classified information North Vietnam used to hone their air defense system…McCain told his North Vietnamese captors, “highly classified information, the most important of which was the package routes, which were routes used to bomb North Vietnam. He gave in detail the altitude they were flying, the direction, if they made a turn… he gave them what primary targets the United States was interested in.” Hopper contends that the information McCain provided allowed the North Vietnamese to adjust their air-defenses. As result, Hopper claims, the US lost sixty percent more aircraft and in 1968, “called off the bombing of North Vietnam, because of the information McCain had given to them.”

‘When John McCain was my captive‘: interview with former head of Vietnamese prison ‘Hanoi Hilton’ – BBC 6/23/08

EXCERPT: “But I can confirm to you that we never tortured him. We never tortured any prisoners.” Mr Duyet reminisces instead about how he often summoned the future US presidential candidate to his private office for informal chats….So is Mr Duyet implying that that Senator McCain lied about his treatment at the Hanoi Hilton? “He did not tell the truth,” he says. “But I can somehow sympathise with him. He lies to American voters in order to get their support for his presidential election.”

Vietnam POW Activists Called McCain ‘Songbird’ and ‘Manchurian Candidate’

EXCERPT: from 1992 Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA’s:

“When two U.S. Army enlisted men were captured by the Viet Cong in 1963, they were plunged into an ordeal that would prove to be a relentless trial of body and spirit by torture. Once they were finally freed, however, their trials began all over again, when their statements critical of the U. S. Vietnam policy landed them in a military court facing a capital offense for violating the military Code of Conduct by “aiding the enemy.”
But, if your name is John McCain and your father and grandfather were famous admirals, violating the Code of Conduct by “aiding the enemy” translates into fodder for a political career, book deals, and adulation bordering on sainthood. Even though news reports of McCain collaborating with the enemy continued from the time he was captured in 1967 through 1970, the Navy never considered prosecution as an option.
Instead, Pentagon pencil pushers chose a political spin that lifted McCain, the former POW turned U.S. Senator, up to a glorified pedestal where he sprouted a halo and wings and became America’s “POW-hero” and today a presidential candidate.
No such luck for the two lowly “grunts.”
SANTOLI: But on the Senate side, we had one person standing in the way of getting in positions that would have been very tough on government bureaucrats who didn’t tell the truth. And that one person was Sen. John McCain.
Cpl. BOB DUMAS, U.S. Army (Ret.): He didn’t want nobody to check his background because a lot of the POWs that was in the camps said he was a collaborator of the enemy. He gave the enemy the information they wanted.
Dr. JAMES LUCIER, former U.S. Senate Chief of Staff: But We do know that when he was there [in the Vietnamese prison], he cooperated with the communist news services in giving interviews there, ah, not flattering to the United States.
USRY: Information shows that he made over 32 tapes of propaganda for the Vietnamese government. Certainly, you do what you need to do to stay alive. Nobody would fault anybody for that. But there comes a point in time when enough is enough.
REP: DORNAN: They made those transcriptions, and in the transcriptions, I heard a POW who heard them comin’ into his cell and said, “Oh, my God, is that Admiral McCain’s son? Is that the admiral’s son? Is that Johnny — telling us that our principal targets are schools, orphanages, hospitals, temples, churches?” That was Jane Fonda’s line. Where are those transcriptions? Believe me — they’re in the archives of the museum, the bragging military phony museum in Hanoi. McCain could not have wanted those [to] turn up in the middle of a presidential race. He knows that. I know that, and a few other people know that, and that’s why he went against Bob Dole’s legislation.
DUMAS: And he didn’t want nobody looking into his background in that camp, what went on in that camp. That stuff is still classified so nobody can see it. And he just had it classified forever, so nobody’ll ever look at it.
LUCIER: That he was given special treatment and was put in a room with two other defectors who were later given special treatment. Although I will say to his credit he refused to be repatriated as a result.
REP: DORNAN: This sounds so good at first. McCain was offered the chance to come home. They called him the “Prince.” And he could have. But nobody ever takes that one step beyond that. If John … Admiral John McCain II … “Junior” … if his son, a lieutenant senior grade, had accepted this princely status and come home in 1967 while the others would sit there for five years, what would the Navy have done, with the son of an admiral who opted to get special treatment and come home? No Navy career. No House seat. No Senate seat. It would have been the end of his career. [Edit.] And they were offering him this chance to go home in one of three groups that came home in ‘68.
SANTOLI: They were all collaborators.
REP. DORNAN: And McCain called them this — except for Bill Kagill [phonetic] — the “slipperies,” the “slimies” and the “sleazies.” I once forgot one of those names — and he refreshed my memory. The slipperies, the slimies and the sleazies. So that meant that he would have become a slimy, a sleazy and a slippery, ruining his career and the admiral’s son goes home. What I’m saying is, yes — he chose to stay. But did he have an alternative if he ever wanted to have a life? And what would it have done to his father?
DOUGLASS: And his activities were sufficiently consistent and widespread in opposing efforts to learn the truth that he was written up in a number of articles as a Manchurian candidate in this issue.
REP. DORNAN: In Hanoi, he saw McCain turn red in the face. He even used the term “Rumblestiltskin” [sic], jumping up and down in place in a rage: “If you release any of these records that you have here in Hanoi on me or the other POWs, you will NEVER get diplomatic recognition.”
USRY: McCain may have been an expert on being a prisoner of war but he was by no means an expert on the POW issue.”

How ‘war hero’ John McCain betrayed the Vietnamese peasant who saved his life – Daily Mail, UK 3/23/08

Top cop says McCain was never tortured – PrisonPlanet 2/7/08

“McLamb said the POW’s told him that McCain had sustained two broken arms and a leg injury from not pulling his arms in when he bailed out of his A-4 Skyhawk that was shot down over the Truc Bach Lake in Hanoi. The POW’s said that McCain made 32 propaganda videos for the communist North Vietnamese in which he denounced America for what they were doing in Vietnam.”…”Several Vietnam veterans groups do solely exist to expose McCain’s abandonment of veteran’s interests as well as his lies about being tortured, including Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain and U.S. Veteran Dispatch. “
In fact, McCain’s own account confirms he broke his own arms while ejecting from his plane.

Luck of the Admiral’s Son Not For ‘Grunts’ – US Veterans Dispatch 10/99

Is John McCain a war hero? – Phoenix New Times 3/25/99


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  • Susann Bancroft

    If hes telling the truth which I seriously doubt why has he and the government put a lifetime block on making his records not viewable?
    Doesnt make one wonder why his house and him are hidden as well. What is he so scared of??? I dont think its the illegals he wants here so badly.

  • Terry Forrester

    I never believed McCain was a war hero. He doesn’t act like any I’ve ever known or listened to. “songbird” is a good name for him. He talks way too much for a war hero and he doesn’t present himself as a “country first” kind of man. I believe he’s lied to the people of Arizona forever now. It’s time to put him out to pasture.

    • cptspanky

      Long overdue

    • adolf binladin

      Wish the Vietnamese killed him. Imagine how many Americans would be alive if he died in the crash

      • cptspanky

        From what I understand he crashed many planes…I guess when your daddies an admiral you get cut some slack.

        Whats the old joke….. I have taken off hundreds of times from the aircraft carrier…landed once

        • adolf binladin

          I was never in the Navy, would have no idea but left right or center, fu(k that guy

        • ArmyAviator

          McCain is a BLACK ACE. That means that he destroyed FIVE US Navy airplanes during his time as a Naval Aviator.

          • cptspanky

            interesting…lost of people think is is an Acehole

  • Hyde

    How many other Americans lost their lives due to McCain’s treason?

    • cptspanky

      We gave Hanoi Jane Fonda a good going over for her visits to the north to help their propaganda, why no McCain

  • Robert

    This is pure smear! Talk about fake news

    • bill johnson

      Karma is a bitch.

    • Mary Darnell Ramey

      Are you for real This a true article Oh forgot snowflakes don’t take to the truth very well do they

    • BigDogKahuna

      Yeah, not so much.

    • Steve Smith

      No smear about it. This is a close to factual uou can get without the official records the mccain fought so fociferously to have sealed forever. Now, tell me how pow records can effect national security again?

  • Viet Nam Vet

    As a Vietnam vet this is hard to read. And trump isn’t going to create job numbers like that. It’s basically impossible.

  • Dean Bruckner

    President Trump can declassify those reports, Start with songbird’s.

    • bigrobtheactor

      The guy with the “foot thing” who fought his own “Vietnam” against VD? Please … and btw, I voted for him, no regrets.

      • BigDogKahuna

        Well, Mcstain did not turn out so great as a soldier did he.

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  • Louis Copechal

    Yet we lost alot of other vietnam vets who would and DID DIE protecting ALL they knew! Just proves that when you become a McCain it gives you your freedom to reign, even in a pow camp!

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  • DemocracyRules

    60%+ Chance McCain will pass away within 12 months.
    McCain has glioblastoma, a type fo brain cancer.
    For glioblastoma, the survival rates are:
    One year: 39.3%
    Two years: 16.9%
    Three years: 9.9%
    Four years: 7.0%
    Five years: 5.5%
    Ten years: 2.9%

    • DemocracyRules

      Also, glioblastoma is very aggressive, grows quickly, is hard to treat, and it destroys the brain. Survival rates are especially short for people McCain’s age. We should expect McCain to have thinking problems that will rapidly get worse.

      We all need to remember that, when he says something silly.

      • adolf binladin

        Hope you’re right. He needs to go

  • libajane

    God is in control & his ways are perfect. There are more people disgusted with John McCain as he ruins all hope to overturn Obamacare. The raw evil he portrays is not going to be easy to explain on judgement day. That may be sooner rather than later.

    • cptspanky

      Hope he gets his life in order before that day

  • MikeyParks

    I’m embarrassed to have been taken in by all of that BS propaganda. I’m glad the truth about the “Songbird” is out. I despise McCain the way I despise John Kerry. In fact, they’re two peas in a pod. At least Kerry is a Democrat, so his treason is no surprise.

    • cptspanky

      If you research McCain’s Vietnam and military career you will see he was not what he pretends to be

    • Steve Smith

      Add Hanoi Jane to that list. THE TREASONOUS TRIO

  • Rick Romero

    Most people who criticize McCain’s war record have either never served a day in the Military or have an ax to grind. It’s even more despicable when servicemen, who probably have never spent a day as a POW, attacks anyone who served their country. In my opinion, they’ve lost what little dignity or honor they had. Certified POS.

  • Douglas Riegger

    To all the people complaining about the “propaganda” they have been seeing: John McCain went through HELL in Vietnam. I do not like him as a politician or necessarily a person as far as I have seen, however, having visited the actual prison and cell he was held in, I know for a fact that this entire article as completely false. There are images and videos shown at the museum of the prison of his torture and personal accounts from other prisoners. The Vietnamese would not lower themselves to the level of LYING about the history of how horrible they were to the US just to please whatever “propaganda” you think you have been seeing. He was tortured in the “Hanoi Hilton” prison for 5 YEARS and did not give up any information that hurt the United States. He did give in at one point and gave them information that ended up being false and still openly discusses how ashamed of himself he was. He suffered from permanent damage to his body from the absolute hell he went through during his captivity in Vietnam. Just because your President spews lies about someone, that does NOT give you enough reason to continue to falsify HISTORY and allow pure lies like this infiltrate our country. We complain about the propaganda that the left wing liberals spread about Trump, but fail to see that the right wing does it as well. (as seen in this article) PLEASE educate yourselves before reading one article on a source that is not credible and basing your opinion on it alone.

    • Douglas Riegger

      I would also like to add that I do agree he has served PLENTY of time in office and needs to step down as he is now unfit and beyond unhealthy to be representing the state of Arizona. I am unbiased, because I do not like the man whatsoever, but the lying needs to stop. On BOTH sides.

  • Kim David

    McCain had his military records sealed… when he became a Senator.
    Our POW’s who were with him at Hanoi Hilton called McCain SONGBIRD-He did give up Top Secret Info that caused US Planes to crash+Pilots Killed/injured. He was going to be tried for treason but Nixon pardoned him. McCain’s Father & Grandfather were full Admirals. I can understand giving up info to stop being tortured but to come back & masquerade as a War Hero is unforgivable. Sen.McCain always votes “NO” benefits for our Veterans. Still a Traitor.

  • Kim David

    Letter from Putin to John McCain: Denying his request for illegal campaign contributions.

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